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Russia says Georgia's entry to NATO could lead to war

16:22 08/12/2011
MOSCOW, December 8 (RIA Novosti)
Tags: NATO-Russia Council, NATO, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Sergei Lavrov, Brussels, Georgia, Russia, Moscow

Russia’s foreign minister has warned of a repetition of its 2008 war with Georgia if the South Caucasus state joins NATO.

Speaking at a news conference after the NATO-Russia Council in Brussels on Thursday, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said he had warned NATO foreign ministers against “pushing the current Georgian regime towards a repetition of their August 2008 gamble.”

Georgia has been pursuing NATO membership but the five-day war in 2008 over Georgia’s breakaway territory of South Ossetia has made the alliance wary of taking it on.

Speaking during a visit to Georgia last month, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said the country had “come a lot closer” to joining, but added that Tbilisi should pursue reforms.

“Further reforms will be Georgia’s ticket to membership and NATO is here to help,” Rasmussen told Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili.

 

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  • arnoldvinette@yahoo.comWhy would Russia be concerned about Georgia joining NATO?
    20:32, 10/12/2011
    Why would Russia be concerned about Georgia joining NATO?

    I would appreciate it if RIA Novosti and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov could better explain Russia's concerns with regards to Georgia joining NATO.

    I am already aware of the fact that Georgia is a key transit territory for the Baku–Tbilisi–Ceyhan pipeline (the BAKU pipeline) that runs from Baku, Azerbaijan on the Caspian Sea, through Georgia, through Turkey down to Ceyhan,Turkey located on the Mediterranean Sea.

    BAKU Pipeline Link
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baku%E2%80%93Tbilisi%E2%80%93Ceyhan_pipeline

    BAKU Pipeline Image
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Baku_pipelines.svg

    I have already expressed my concern in previous comments that the United States, Europe, Britain, Canada and NATO would like to control the Caspian Basin area for its oil and natural gas reserves.

    This is one reason why the United States, Europe, Britain, Canada and NATO would like to take control of Iran. Iran borders both the Caspian Sea, the Arabian Gulf, and the Arabian Sea.

    http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=iran+map&rlz=1W1GGHP_en-GB&psj=1&gs_upl=4316l7409l0l10090l8l8l0l0l0l0l235l1466l0.5.3l8l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1058&bih=456&wrapid=tlif132353312479510&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x3ef7ec2ec16b1df1:0x40b095d39e51face,Iran&gl=ca&ei=U4PjTqWSIobt0gGNmZTsBQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CDoQ8gEwAA

    Worldwide Peak Oil was reached in June 2006.

    All known oil reservoirs for the United States, Europe, Britain, Canada will be reaching exhaustion by 2020. by 2030 these oil reservoirs will be exhausted.

    The United States, Europe, Britain, Canada are therefore desperately looking for other reservoirs of oil and natural gas that they do not control so that they can seize them militarily and control them for western oil company use to provide oil supplies to the west.

    By 2030 it is an accepted fact by oil production experts that there will be insufficient oil reserves around the planet to sustain our current oil based civilization. The oil based civilizations most likely to survive after 2020 are Russia and those in the Caspian Basin area.

    Those countries least likely to survive as an oil based civilization past 2020 are the United States, Britain, Europe and Canada. China and India will also see dramatic changes in lifestyle.

    The concern for the United States, Britain, Europe and Canada is that oil is not just about transportation, it is also fundamental to agriculture and the food supply with regards to the creation of fertilizer. When the oil supply disappears so does agriculture and nations food supply. Then of course there is the collapse of the banking industry, millions of businesses, and so forth. It is an event that is coming one way or another beginning in 2020 extending to 2030 and finished by 2040.

    So the Russian government could be concerned that having Georgia be a member of NATO is just to close for comfort.

    As much as the Russian government would like to work with NATO, NATO is a real threat to Russia's energy supplies in the Caspian Basin area.

    And without a doubt there will be a fight for the remaining Caspian Basin oil fields and natural gas fields beginning in 2020 and extending to 2030. By 2030 the majority of the world's oil reserves would have collapsed from depletion.

    The entire world does not need to run out of oil for problems to happen, it just needs to run out enough.

    And this point in worldwide oil depletion begins in 2020. Serious crisis depletion point is 2030. Worldwide depletion by 2040.

    Arnold Vinette
    Ottawa, Canada

    I am already aware of the fact that Georgia is a key transit territory for an oil and gas pipeline (the BAKU pipeline) that runs from the Caspian Sea, through Georgia, through Turkey to
    • snimranExcellent summary by Arnold Vinette
      08:05, 15/12/2011
      Level headed thinking, dispassionate and very true. The attempts at inclusion of Georgia, the European missile shield, the drama around Iranian nuclear program, the unquestioned support to Israelis by US/UK etc... all point in the same direction. It just needs a proper thinker to see through the propaganda and the obvious lies to realize the games being played by world powers today. Thanks Arnold for the analysis!
    • wulfranoArnold Vinette
      11:45, 11/12/2011
      Thank you, Arnold, for your brilliant summary of the worldwide oil situation. In effect, I have been saying the same thing for years now. However, there is something even more sinister going on. Russia has, under Putin and Medvedev, returned to her christian roots. A peaceful christian Russia does not benefit the plans of warmongers in the USA and Europe who want a World War III. They need such a war in order to convince the world that a single worldwide political, economic and religious authority is necessary to insure no-more-wars. This single worldwide authority will be deposited on a single individual who will be deemed the new god of the world. Of course his name is Satan.
    • arsanlupinOh really?
      23:49, 13/12/2011
      It never ceases to amaze me how a series of seemingly innocuous assumptions can lead to some truly bizarre conclusions. But then that's why the English word "assume" actually is spelled "ass-u-me" as in "When you make assumptions you make an ass of yourself to me." Frankly, I would expect this level of paranoia from some circles within Russia - after all they invented it, and not entirely without reason. Although going to the point of conspiracy theories is usually the sign of a more serious mental disorder. But CANADA??? Well, at least the national healthcare system would pay for the treatment ...

      Fact: When the USA learned of the Georgian government's intent on August 2008, the message from US Ambassador to Georgia John F. Tefft was clear and unequivocal: "Guys, this is a really BAD idea, you will precipitate a crisis AND you will fail in your mission. Here is our satellite surveillance: the Russians are just waiting for you to attack, then they will hit you with overwhelming numbers and hand you a humiliating defeat. You will hurt your chances of ever getting into NATO because you would be perceived as a "loose cannon" that no one wants to associate with. NATO will not help you, the USA will not help you. If you attack, you will be on your own. Please - DON'T do this!"

      The fools wouldn't listen, all came to pass as predicted, and now they've had to "eat crow" and admit it was a stupid idea. Now Georgia has to live with the mess it made, and try to go forward using their heads instead of their gonads to think with.

      In fact, on 32 August 2008, in an interview with the Kommersant, the U.S. Ambassador to Russia, John Beyrle, confirmed that the Russian response to Georgia's attack on South Ossetia was legitimate. He has also stated to the Kommersant that Saakashvili acted without the consent and against the advice of the United States in attacking South Ossetia. US "help" in Georgia's attack is a fantasy.

      As for the pipeline - why would we feel the need to have Georgia in NATO to control a pipeline? Doesn't it go from Georgia into Turkey? Isn't Turkey already part of NATO? More faulty logic ...

      Spending a little time doing real research to prove a point is very helpful - without it the original premise is thoroughly discredited.
      • arsanlupinoops - typo
        23:52, 14/12/2011
        Sorry - make that Kommersant interview on 23 August 2008, not 32 August.

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